not_Scyess

Which is exactly what I meant by the other part of that statement:  "This still does not excuse the fact that said individual is a fucked-up lunatic."

not_Scyess

He was born there, but he's been in the States since age 8.  I don't know why the hell South Korea would apologize, nor do I think anyone would expect them to.

I just want to make it clear that I am not blaming anyone for what happened at Virginia Tech except the fucker who snapped and went on the shooting spree.  It was his choice and his choice alone to kill all of those innocent victims.  Boo is absolutly right - nothing would have stopped him from carrying out this attack.

There will never be a form of gun control in this country that will please everyone.  So own all the guns you want, just please don't shoot me with them.

Jack Thompson is, indeed, a cunt.

And I would also like to point out the continually wonderful irony that is 'Ads by Google':

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TheBlairZip

Well, nothing would have stopped him-- except getting an especially vicious stomping while he went about stalking those women, or getting shot by a witness or target of his attack. But the law defines anyone prepared to implement either measure as a criminal, and I'm not entirely sure the law is wrong. And as you say, something like this could happen no matter how you rigged the law.

The Google Ad for guns appearing over Kajun's comics is far and away the best thing that is going to happen in this thread.

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if everyone in the classroom had been similarily armed, he might have got 5 or 10 people before someone painted the wall with his brains.

i've never been a pro gun control guy, i feel that only makes it harder for normal citizens to obtain guns whereas it just makes it slightly more exspensive for criminals to get them.       

its incredibly sad that these things occur in our society and everytime similar shootings happen i can't help but think that if more people were armed, these fucking pieces of filth who commit this sort of crime might be more hesitant to do them in a best case scenario.

worst case scenario they happen anyway but with lower death tolls. 

who knows? just my opinion. my heart goes out to the families who lost a loved one in that senseless act                          

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Kill Whitey.

So how do you feel about portable ion cannons?

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boorite

I predict that this is the second truest thing that has been said, and will be said on this thread.

The first most true thing of course being that Jack Thompson is a cunt.

boorite

I'm the grandson of a gun collector, yet we never had any guns in our house because my mom didn't like them. I was also a staunch gun control advocate until I went out shooting with three roommates who also happened to be cops. I had so much fun with their arsenal, I eventually bought two handguns just for the fun of it (and also to take out Kajun if he ever comes at me with a knife).

Now down to business.

I'm in charge of emergency planning for a school district and I spend a lot of time working on our crisis management plans and training staff on what to do if something like this happened. I'm also working on a federal grant to beef up our preparedness and communications to deal with these types of situations. I thought this morning that it was only a matter of time until these Columbine style incidents (the 8 year anniversary of that is Friday, btw) hit college campuses. From what I can see, universities have a long way to go to develop plans and relationships with law enforcement that K-12 schools have had to put into place for years.

I'll fight the urge to second guess what the university and police did wrong...when the dust settles, the state of VA will commission a multi-disciplinary review of the incident and the report will be the framework for university active shooter response.

So who the hell is Jack Thompson?

As twisted as my sense of humour might be, I still can't fathom just how screwed up someone would have to be to do something like this. 11 years might have passed, but Port Arthur still stings like it was yesterday.

My sympathies go out to the friends and families of the victims.

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Dinosaurs had eggs bro, the chicken came way later.

The gun control debate is one I try to avoid because -- like how to get out of Iraq -- there seems to be no right answer.  However, I doubt the carnage would've been any less if everyone else on campus had been armed.  Having a gun doesn't make you bullet proof.  And a campus-wide shootout doesn't do much to reduce the body count.

gabe_billings

I prefer the BFG 9000.  It's and oldie but a goodie.

And who the fuck IS Jack Thompson?  (Besides a cunt.)

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You know, it's intelligent and thought provoking threads about important world issues like this that detract from the more important subjects like donkey fucking and robot sodomy.

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100 pounds of shit in a 25 pound sack.

Video games? We may as well blame the war in Iraq and reality TV.

Anyone notice this guy was wearing a khaki (desert) vest rather than the standard camouflauge pattern your average mass killer from two decades ago may have bought, and seemed more motivated by the predicted after-effect of his bullshit TV-like 'confessional' than anything else? This kid was so attention hungry and posturing that if you'd have showed me his videos and pictures a day before the shooting I'd have said you should put him in movies. To me it just totally smacked of dramatism and some phony sense of purpose. He seemed like a bad poet and a worse actor. Unfortunately, he went on to kill folks.

boorite

I think it's possible that guns turn people into the wrong people. This plays into my theory that life and death power over your fellow man damages your psyche. 

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WHO THE HELL IS JACK THOMPSON!?

Jack Thompson

FinnNYC

I think it's possible that guns turn people into the wrong people. This plays into my theory that life and death power over your fellow man damages your psyche. 

I agree that it's possible.

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From Wikipedia:

John Bruce “Jack” Thompson (born July 25, 1951) is an American attorney and activist, based in Coral Gables, Florida.  Thompson describes himself as a Christian conservative and a Republican.  After an initial foray into politics, Thompson concentrated his legal efforts against obscenity, particularly in rap music and broadcasts by radio personality Howard Stern.  More recently, he has focused on violence as well, particularly in the content of computer and video games and their alleged effects on children.  Thompson is also frequently involved in medical malpractice lawsuits in his capacity as an attorney.

He is also a tremendous cunt.

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I didn't know exactly who he was. I just found jumping on the bandwagon easier than thinking. And what do you know, he really is a monumental cunt. From now on, I'm blindly following you guys.

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boorite

Then I propose we should all become an hero.

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choadwarrior

Just to clarify, when I said many people at the university had done what they were supposed to do, I meant before El Creepo became an active shooter. Response to the actual emergency seems to my untrained eye to have been a Mongolian clusterfuck.

Having spent the last 20-odd years in universities, I'm not surprised.  Our experience of crime on campus is mostly made up of sexual harrassment, date rape, drunk driving, theft of bicycles and unattended personal items, and hit-and-run crimes by residents of sleazy adjoining neighborhoods. There is the occasional murder-suicide, and I have even watched police respond to what they thought was a bomb. Some of this crime is serious and violent and very much on our minds day-to-day, but I'm not aware that the spree shooter is something that's planned for at any level.

Which is weird, because America's introduction to the spree shooter was on a university campus, way back in 1966 at the University of Texas, when an undiagnosed brain tumor caused a guy to go insane, and he got on top of the clock tower with a rifle and shot 46 people before the cops killed him. I spent 8 years literally in the shadow of a similar clock tower at LSU, and it was hard to look at it without thinking of the UT sniper. I mean every day.

In a case like that, I suppose someone would just call SWAT, and that would be that. Maybe the apparent confusion at VT started when police supposed that the incident they were investigating-- the double murder in the dormitory-- was over. When shooting broke out two hours later in the classroom building, the description of the shooter was at odds with the description from witnesses at the dorm. So understandably, nobody could tell what the hell was going on.

I guess what caught officials flatfooted was the continuation of the shooting spree after a short delay, and they're already being criticized for failing to issue some kind of alert immediately upon discovering the first crime. I know they don't want to cause a panic, but then again, it might be nice to tell people that a murderer appears to be on the loose in the neighborhood. Saying they didn't want to disrupt classes would appear pretty weak in retrospect.

Just thinking out loud here and not really fighting the urge to second-guess as much as choadwarrior.

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i just scanned this thread, so if someone already said this sorry:

crackmole jesusbungee!

also, if someone said this, sorry:

if the u.s. goes the route of the u.k. and makes it near impossible to own a gun, they should go full bore and also make our police force a gunless one, as the uk's is. any objections raised by the police to this could be thrown back in their face since it would mirror citizens' objections with their not being allowed guns, the latter being something the police would have most likely dismissed since they'd be advocating the gun ban

i'd be for it personally, if the police also didn't have guns. but know this: criminals will always have guns. you name 4 illegal things right now, and i'll tell you where to find them. the difference being with the police ALSO not having guns, they'd be more motivated to reduce the number of criminals who have them by actually doing something about it, instead of just sitting back polishing their own guns as criminals ding us back and forth for target practice

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Look at all these copycats. I'm seriously frightened of all the people I share my air with.

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Mediocrity at its most average.

Actually gun crime is still an issue in the UK, espeically in highly populated poor urban areas where gang culture is rife, such as manchester, Nottingham and parts of London. Admittedly its not as prevailant as the US, but there have been qute a few gang related shootings in the papers lately. And in this post 2001 terror fueled world I do see a lot more cops on the beat with guns (although I do believe we still restrict them to specially trained squads, not the regular bobbies-on-the-beat)

Personally Im in favour of gun control, and I echo Dingo's sentiments, because once I get past the child-like enthusiasm of "Cool there's a cop with a gun", I start to get the grown-up sentiments of "Holy Shit, there's a cop with a gun"

Then again we lock up farmers for taking a pop at burglers breaking into their homes, which in America would have been fair game. Our Laws ain't perfect by any stretch.

Statistics and common sense prove however that less guns = less gun deaths.

Oh and about that clause in the Second Ammendment, they're patently talking about keeping the people ready to fend off the British, or any other foreign power, which as a new state in the 18th century during a time of revolution in old europe is hardly surprising,, but hell you haven't even got the commies to worry about now. It's an out-dated piece of legistlature that is no longer relevant to America in the 21st century, but then I am British and I would say that to cover up our plans for eventual retaking of the 'Colonies' . {evil grin}

TheGovernor

Only if you kill him.  If you only wound him he'll probably sue you for the injuries he incurred while breaking into your house.

TheGovernor

Actually, the ammendment wasn't just to protect citizens from foreign power, but also from their own government.  Remember, when they wrote the thing, most of the people in what was to become the United States still considered themselves British.

So a private citizen can still buy a semi-automatic handgun. but the ammendment might still be outdated since now the government has guns and gernades and flame throwers and tanks and ion cannons.  Still, I'd like to know if I ever did have to join a movement to overthrow the government that it wouldn't be a complete slaughter.

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TheGovernor

I don't know about that. I've been looking at statistics from various sources and they say different. Especially for knife crime. Even British crime prevention people acknowledge that tighter legislation isn't helping.

Though you can't look at raw statistics and incidents alone. Keep in mind that the population of the United States is 301,500,000 and the population of the UK is 60,600,000. So 10,000 incidents of something to the UK might seem like a lot, but to the US it's more than three times fewer the percentage. As far as I'm concerned, it's more important to look at the people involved and hear what they're saying instead of just legislating things to death. Criminals and law enforcement say that more legislation isn't working. But apparently it's cheaper and easier to pretend that something is being done.

Of course, I'm one of those people that think we should attack the actual problem instead of sticking a butteryfly closure on a sucking chest wound. But what the fuck do I know? I just grew up with cops and government agents.

An afterthought. What I find interesting in all these reports is that they almost unanimously agree that weapon crime in the US is decreasing and weapon crime in the UK is increasing.

Considering airsoft guns are considered offensive weapons in the UK, I wonder if anyone there knows how paintball guns are classified. Cause those bastards really sting. Especially when little brothers are still mad about being conned into doing all your chores and decide to...nevermind.