What I can't figure out is why whenever Bush get's criticized, people automatically dismiss is as pro-Clinton propaganda or at least argue against it with anti-Clinton propaganda? Clinton was pretty fucking bad himself when it came to foreign policy, this is true. I am not a Democrat or a Republican. I vote on issues. Because I want Bush out of office does not make me a Democrat OR a Clintonite. Clinton sucked a lot. It just so happens that Bush has done far worse.

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The issues I've heard the candidates address are too numerous to mention here.

Press coverage has, however, tended to be rather on the issueless side, as always.

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Oh yeah, Bush fixed ALL those problems. I mean, we had SUCH high terrorist activity during the Clinton years. And I mean, so many terrorists crashed plains into buildings during the Clinton admin. And also, our threat levels during the Clinton years were SO high. We had so many orange, yellow, red alerts with Clinton.
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MaKK, please stop talking out of your ass. It's starting to stink in here.

Airports are not any safer. People have ignored the safety suggestions that Ralph Nader has been advocating for over 15 years. Clinton did, and Bush did. The airport security is still being handled by disenchanted, underpaid minorities.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

Makk, you card. I'm not gonna sit here and list all the candidates' positions when they are perfectly accessible through all the normal channels.

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What others say about boorite!

There was a lot of high-profile terrorist activity against American interests during the Clinton years, so I really don't know what you mean by "extreme sarcasm".

The new administration's public attitude wasn't "let's scapegoat Clinton for what he did" it was focusing on solving the problem. Please review Al-Qaeda's pattern of attacking leading to 9-11 if you still don't know what I'm talking about. (Cole, the American embassy bombings in Africa, the first Twin Tower attacks, etc.)

Like I said, it's not like Bush plucked other people's national security plans out of the blue, it was prompted by 9/11. I don't understand your argument there.

Boorite: the fill-in-the-blank would take but a moment of your time if the issues presented were as obvious as you say.

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You can't reduce a Presidential candidate's platform to a fill-in-the-blank item. Silly Makk.

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There's been terrorist activity in this country, by both foreign AND domestic groups, since Reagan and probably before. I have not done much research into terrorist activity as it was before Reagan, so I cannot comment on that.

But, silly MaKK, I don't remember over 6000 people dying in New York city from an Al-Qaeda attack when Clinton was in office. As a matter of fact, when was the last time we had an attack of that magnitude on our home turf? From a foreign threat?

But I understand you wish to remain blissfully stuck in a rhetorical loop. But hey, maybe I'm wrong, right? Maybe there's no evil in the hearts of men. Especially powerful men, most likely some of the most powerful men in the world. Yes, doctor, I'm ready for my shock treatment now. Please help me kill away all this rational thought I seem to be cursed with.

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Airports are not any safer. People have ignored the safety suggestions that Ralph Nader has been advocating for over 15 years. Clinton did, and Bush did. The airport security is still being handled by disenchanted, underpaid minorities.

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Yeah? What's he done that's worse?

The Patriot Act. That's all. What has Bush done that is worse? The Patriot Act. Killing American support in the court of public opinion. Rolling back civil rights. Mmmmmmmmkay?

Trippingbillee, their race matters because by NATIONAL STANDARDS, minorites are forced to work shittier jobs for shittier salaries than the average white American. That's why it matters. Because affirmative action isn't alive and well, and it fucking should be. They have to work at shitty airlines doing crappy security jobs instead of fulfilling their potential because the education system is such that minorites are thrust into massive quantities in urban areas and are denied a solid, intensive education.

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Yeah? What's he done that's worse?

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Think classy, you'll be classy.

P.S. Note the 7-6-2003 entry at the link I posted above...

The search for WMD starts at home.

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Think classy, you'll be classy.

Thanks, nite. Anyone remember the tests we used to do in Puerto Rico? Dropping bombs on Vieques?

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

I know MikeyG, that's why the threat is being treated differently than before the attacks. For instance profiling passegner threats based on their country of origin has been reinstated for obvious reasons. I'm not sure your point. Also you first argued there were no terrorist attacks during Clinton's years (to what end I do not know) and now you argue they have been going on since the Reagan years (again the purpose of which I do not understand).

My point was, and is, Bush didn't blame the weakness of our national security on the presidency before him, nor did he blame the intelligence failures on this administration before him. In fact he passed up a good chance to kick out Tenet and install his own chief on a few occassions.

Also I think the figures are more like 3000 people. What cave do you live in, MikeyG?

Again, I seriously think you are suffering from a brain tumor or some other kind of chronic brain-damaging affliction. Please go get help. I'm serious, I care about you and worry about the safety of those around you.

Also your "informed" opinion on working minorities speaks for itself.

Tell me a couple of the big huge issues the frontrunners are championing, which differentiate them from the other candidates and define their potential presidential candidacy. Or should I be content knowing once they are running they will go to New York. Then New Jersey. Then MAINE. Then DELAWARE! THEN PENNSYLANNIA! AND NORTH DAKOTA! AND VERMONT! AND ARIZONA!

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Here you go, Mikey. There's a quite a few links that came up when I did a Google search on "Dropping bombs on Vieques".

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Think classy, you'll be classy.

Hey! Welcome to my world, Mikey! I vote right-wing on some issues, give the current president the benefit of the doubt (I'd do the same if he were a left-winger too. Bush is really fucking with the few right-wing ideals I adhere to) and say the unpopular thing, and suddently I'm a cold-hearted, bunny-killing republican.

The same thing happened during Clinton's years. Any time someone said something bad about him, they started pointing to the former president Bush and saying how bad he was. It goes way, way back. They just say "well, the guy before him was worse"! It's a stupid tactic, but it's easy.

I don't really push for any conservative issues anymoer because I'm tired of being the only sensible one on that side anymore. I say one thing, like "well, I think the borders should be shut", and BOOM, the entire fucking site jumps down my throat.

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That's what I said about terrorism during the Clinton years, MaKK daddy. Where did I say there was NO terrorism?

And about the 6000 casualties, it was my error. It was around 2,973. When I make an error, I admit it and correct it. Can you say the same?

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

Ach, I meant internationally, not domestically. And killing American support isn't a bad thing.

The candidates [u]should[/u] be championing better overall foreign policies, since this adminstration has effectively destroyed relationships with pretty much every other country in the world with it's arrogance and "Bring it on" attitude. Countries despise us (and with good reason) because Bush acts like he wants to rule the world.

The "bring it on" thing was a brilliant move by Bush. It's a win-win situation for him and the White House. If we don't get attacked, then we're "winning" the War On Terrorâ„¢. If we do get attacked, then it'll be all about selling the paranoia again..."Hey, we need to stay in Iraq, Afghanistan and whereever else terrorism lies and fight it for as long as it takes."

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Think classy, you'll be classy.

The candidates [u]should[/u] be championing better overall foreign policies, since this adminstration has effectively destroyed relationships with pretty much every other country in the world with it's arrogance and "Bring it on" attitude. Countries despise us (and with good reason) because Bush acts like he wants to rule the world.

The "bring it on" thing was a brilliant move by Bush. It's a win-win situation for him and the White House. If we don't get attacked, then we're "winning" the War On Terrorâ„¢. If we do get attacked, then it'll be all about selling the paranoia again..."Hey, we need to stay in Iraq, Afghanistan and whereever else terrorism lies and fight it for as long as it takes."

Personally, I was with Bush regarding the war, until we started being told it was "to free the Iraquis". Fuck that. I don't wanna be freeing anyone. It felt like a good old-fashioned overblown revenge war until he said that crap. Now I'm saying "fuck it."

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Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants.

MikeyG, you seem to be implying that only terror attack involving planes crashed into World Trade Centers matter. If this isn't your point please clear it up.

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I think he's saying they matter more than most.

Andy hit the nail on the head. It never reached this level until Bush II.

MaKK, you just missed on this particular swipe. I admit when I am wrong, but you seem to have a serious aversion to it.

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The giant three-phallused phallus of Uzbekistan will one day squirt the cosmic jizz of revenge all over Canada.

I still don't understand your point. I said Bush didn't blame the Al Qaeda problem on the administration before him. Then you said "no planes crashed into the World Trade Center before!!". The point is Al-Qaeda was mobilizing before this. I am unclear what you point is, if one exists at all, or what I am "wrong" about.

My point was Bush could have said "the Clinton administration failed to go after Al-Qaeda with the full force it should have and left us vulnerable to this attack", but he didn't.

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I attend my first caucus as a participant today and I gotta say, Dean was right. It is a totally outdated moronic way to go about selecting a candidate. And within the small sub-set that I participated in only me and an old lady voted for Clark. The rest was split for Dean and Kerry. Try explaining to people way up in Seattle that the south aint goin' for either one of them. Oh well...

the good news is the turnout was 20 times what it was 4 years ago and at least 5 time the norm when a republican is in the white house. I hope this means dems are fired up enough to vote in record breaking numbers in the fall. The one point we all agreed on was that we would support whoever ran against Bush.

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