I think we all agree that the Comic Cup's elimination bracket system is fine and that there's really no need to make any changes to it yet. What seems to be the current quandry is how to decide *who* participates in the elimination brackets.

While this thread should come to encompass all Comic Cup mechanics ideas, thoughts, and suggestions, I'm going to set the current topic as "Comic Cup Entry." It would be really cool if everyone gave their thoughts on the matter. I personally advocate a method that doesn't rely on the host of the Cup picking the eight contestants all by his or herself. A more democratic ideal is what I personally would like to aim for.

I'll conceed that my original thoughts on judging the entry round are a bit convoluted... but that's because I, like you all, are still in the learning phase and the demand to compete in the Cup is hotter than ever.

I also would like to take this opportunity to give my appreciation to evil_d for running the last cup so well. No matter what new approaches we take, I hope that all the future hosts of the contest can run it as such a class act.

what I would do is draw a big pink donkey ass on the wall (tail up) with all the entrants names placed randomly across it. Now flog the bishop and whoever gets the most jizz on their names gets in.

Or you could just pick 8 contestents from the entries. Since it is a rather comic contest competition, then move into the actual cup.

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I think that having you pick the initial 8 participants is fine. If people are going to get their noses out of joint over not being in the top EIGHT, they've got to reevaluate the humor value of their comics.

Maybe someone can convince Brad to set up some kind of voting system that works for the comic cups to prevent this kind of hassle in the future.

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Here's how I'd do it, though it's no doubt too anal for all but two of the rest of you. The ballot has the 15 names in their order of submission:

Spankling ____
kaufman ____
descolada99 ____
dexX ____
skagg ____
evil_d ____
DH-01 ____
gabe_billings ____
NastyPope ____
wirthling ____
boorite ____
Graehe ____
crabby ____
fpd ____
ladyjdotnet ____

All voters must vote for all names but their own (if they participated). Put a 1 next to the comic you think best, 2 to the next best, and so on down to 14 (15 for non-submitters) to the worst. Add up all the numbers for each person, and the eight lowest totals advance. This makes it in the best interests of participants to submit valid ballots.

But if this time, you just do the autocratic thing, I doubt any of us will complain too hard.

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Actually, we only need one more person to make it 16 and that would also be a fine and dandy number for a round based elimination system. doesnt have to be 8.

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The other problem is waiting for all the votes... that would take forfuckingever.

Beyond that, kaufman's idea is great.

Maybe have a 24 hour deadline for voting?

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NastyPope: that was my original thought... but think of all the preliminaries.

The cup would drag on for a longass time.

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I like Pope's first idea. I like it very much.

Oh, and kaufman's idea's cool, too.

That's what I think, anyway.

-DH1

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I like Pope's first idea. I like it very much.

Cool, thats one vote for the donkey jizz method.

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I considered that one, kaufman... but when I thought about it I realized that I'd never be able to rank them in a 1 - 15 scale. Too many of them are equally good IMO.

NastyPope... I saw that too... and then I realized that I don't have enough rules written up for a contest with that many brackets. It would also mean that the finals would have *way* too much lag from round 1 to round 9, which is when the winner of round 1 would come in next.

This *could* be solved by holding multiple rounds simultaneously, but that might cause confusion.

I think people should stop whining and let Drexles pick the 8 damn comics. It's no big deal who gets in and who doesn't. We've all spent way to much time whining and trying to be democratic when we could've already started by now.

I say we let Drexle pick the 8 and get this show on the road already.

I didn't mind him doing that at all.

... although I'm really pushing for the donkey jizz method, just in case that doesn't work out. It has potential. LOTS of potential!

-DH1

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I agree with Drexle that the process should be democratic. It seems to me that the main difficulty has been to come up with a voting system that isn't too burdensome on anyone. For me, ranking or rating all 15 entries would be difficult, because I think most are of about equal quality. But there is a simpler way to do the voting. Each of us could just pick the top eight, besides our own, without rating them.

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im happy with him choosing cuz i was one of the ones selected which surprised me

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I think people should stop whining and let Drexles pick the 8 damn comics. It's no big deal who gets in and who doesn't. We've all spent way to much time whining and trying to be democratic when we could've already started by now.

I say we let Drexle pick the 8 and get this show on the road already.

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This is a good point. Thinking up all the rules I did for the last Cup was a lot harder than I expected it to be.

Of course, there's no reason we always have to have three rules per round. If the moderator gave one thematic rule (i.e. "Make a comic about Christmas", as opposed to "use Diablo on the right side of panel 2"), that could work out just as well. But then, like skagg said in another thread, part of the idea of throwing three random rules together is to see who can make the best strip under adverse circumstances. What I'm saying is, I like the way we've been doing the rules so far, but if another moderator wants to do it differently, that's certainly an option.

At the risk of overstating the obvious, I want to point out that whatever methods we use in the Cup should get the most people the most playing time with the shortest lapse in between. The less time between Cups, the less upset people will be about not making it into one. That's a strong argument for limiting the brackets to 8 contestants.

In the same vein, I like the idea of a 24-hour time limit on voting. If the moderator always reserves his/her vote until it's needed, then it can be used to break a tie after 24 hours, or not used at all if there isn't a tie. That should keep things rolling along smoothly.

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It's interesting that you mention the theme part, evil_d, because that's exactly what I'd had in mind for a few of the rounds. Just a theme, and maybe a rule to make things more challenging.

I think we need to have two sides to the ballot with punch holes down the middle.

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Unfortunately for you, that would make people who want to vote for you cast their votes for kaufman... and the people who wanted to vote for kaufman would have voted Buchanan.

After my observations in round 1, I'm posititve that there needs to be a stricter time limit on voting. It wasn't such a big deal with only 9 judges, but now that there are 13, it makes the wait a lot longer, and because there are so many rounds (and possible contestants) it *needs* to be handled quickly. I say 24 hours after both comics are up is good. Just let the vote count stand where it is if the time elapses and all the judges haven't voted.